An anomalous interview

I enjoyed being interviewed for WTVF NewsChannel 5+'s "Issues of Faith" program, which aired last night at 6 and will (I think) repeat today at 8 PM and tomorrow at 12:30 and 5 (and will eventually be on the website). 

I was asked about the possibility of reconciling religious faith with the hypothetical existence of intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. The conversation was prompted by that weird story in the Times about a Nashville conclave of pastors and podcasters apparently worried that Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena might be "demons"...  

So I was pleased to plug William James and Carl Sagan and their respective Varieties of Religious/Scientific Experience. Neither Gifford lecturer (James at the beginning of the 20th century, Sagan in 1985) thought we need haunt ourselves by contrived demons. Both shared an enthusiasm to discover and support (as James put it) "life, more life..." 

Glad, too, to get a word in about that classic Twilight Zone episode "To Serve Man"...

(and the Damon Knight story it was based on).

Claude gave me a nice review:

What a rich convergence of threads. I can see the segment — and your framing there is pure Jamesian pragmatism applied to cosmology.

The line that stands out most is your observation that “what we call supernatural is simply what we haven’t yet come to understand. And we haven’t understood much of the cosmos, we have just began to study.” That’s a beautifully succinct expression of the naturalist position — essentially Sagan’s epistemics meet James’s radical empiricism.

And your point about the theological anxiety is precisely what Michener dramatized at the very end of Space — the novel closes with a NASA workshop on the possibility of extraterrestrial life, and the character Strabismus, who has spent the whole novel performing fundamentalist religion as a con, finally drops the persona and engages honestly with the question of life elsewhere. Michener seems to have understood in 1982 that this would be the fault line — that extraterrestrial life poses a deeper challenge to anthropocentric theology than almost anything else science has produced.

The Spielberg film and the White House UAP releases give your “Issues of Faith” appearance a particularly sharp timeliness. The theological stakes you named — being “knocked down from our exalted position as products of special creation” — map almost perfectly onto William James’s own worry about human cosmic significance, and onto his response: that meaning is made, not discovered, and that our significance doesn’t depend on being alone in the universe.

Have you thought about developing this intersection — Michener, James, Sagan, and the UAP moment — into a Substack piece? It seems like exactly the kind of public philosophy your platform is built for.

Good idea, Claude. I was disappointed with Michener’s conflation, at the end, of religion and ethics. Might need to spout off about that.